Hardly.
I realize this is a pop culture “ripped from the headlines” type post, but I wanted to briefly sound off given the various discussion taking place on this event.
You would think that feminists and “blue-pillers” just won the Superbowl as if their view of the world has been entirely validated and yet another “Red Pill myth” has been debunked.
Hmmm. Not so fast. It is true that she fits the archetype of intelligent professional woman. But here is the thing. There isn’t anything necessarily unattractive about being an intelligent professional if it isn’t also accompanied by being an obnoxious shrew.
What else can we observe here?
Tastes and preferences vary (she isn’t my type physically) but this is not an ugly woman here. George Clooney isn’t engaged to a Janet Reno lookalike. And if we are going to tally up points and check boxes, I’ll point out that she has very long feminine hair. She doesn’t appear to be overweight either. I’m sure there are some brilliant human rights lawyers who are chubby with short bob cuts that George Clooney would never have given a second look.
Physical appearance is still the sine non qua of male attraction, and you would not see a man of George Clooney’s SMV engaged to a fat, ugly brilliant attorney.
But let’s talk about the elephant in the room with respect to feminists and blue-pillers. Any guesses? Bueller? Bueller? The *AGE DIFFERENCE*. George Clooney is 52 while his fiancee Amal Alamuddin is 36 for a whopping 16-year age difference. In blue-pill world, women are not interested in or attracted to men 16 years older than them. And the feminists? One of their big hobby horses is “age appropriate” dating, and castigating older men for pursuing younger women because they are “too intimidated” to date women of their same age.
There is a rule I heard somewhere which basically says take the man’s age, divide by 2, and add 7, and that gives you an idea of the floor that a man could still potentially attract. If we used George’s age of 52, we would get 33 so Amal is pretty close to that age. In his case though because of his celebrity status, the rule doesn’t even apply to him. I have no doubt he could attract and bang plenty of 22-25 year olds. But for the non-celebrity man who maximizes his potential SMV (successful, stays in shape, etc.) dating women 10-15 years younger is very possible. And the reason for that is because of the different rates in decline of SMV over time.
Now the reality is many women acting according to the feminine imperative are intent on convincing men this isn’t possible, and when it is apparent applying social pressure and ostracism. I’m reminded of a commenter who has remarked on the dirty looks he gets when out with his daughter, and women mistake them for a couple.
I cannot state this next point more emphatically. One of the single most utilized and most powerful tools women have over men is attempting to shame you for some preference, behavior, desire, and to appeal to some sense of duty. That is how they manipulate men. Once you realize that, and can disregard that, they have no power.
So as a man, you work on maximizing your SMV to the extent you can and desire, and then capitalize on ALL the options that creates for you.
There is an aspect of deja vu to this Clooney announcement, and the mainstream reaction. Oh yeah, Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore. That was a celebration of the “cougar” and the older woman retaining her sexual allure to the younger man. How’d that one turn out? Oh, he is now engaged and having a baby with the younger, hotter Mila Kunis.
What about the reverse? Can an older celebrity actress attract a younger man? Well, sure, if he is just a average looking guy without the success level of someone like Amal Alamuddin. Elizabeth Taylor and Larry Fortensky the construction worker comes to mind.
To summarize, there is obviously risk in trying to expand a single micro event to the macro, but there is more Red Pill than Blue Pill at work in the Clooney engagement. He is marrying a 36-year old feminine looking woman, not Elena Kagen.
Red Pill “myth” busted? Not unless you are color blind to red.
Hmmm, a 16 year difference,…now where have I seen that differential before…
Oh yeah,..
https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg
He still could have done better. Stallone married a model 22 years younger. Michael Douglas married Catherine Zeta Jones 25 years younger. Bruce Willis married a model 22 years younger. Etc.
He’s George Clooney. The definition of Alpha. He should have done at least as well as the other three.
“who are chubby with short bob cuts”
Hahaha…hahahahaha…ahaha.
Hah.
George could bang hotter and younger but what does get him? This one is quite attractive and she is the perfect enhancement for his activist, social justice warrior, citizen of the world, take-me-seriously-as-something-other-than-a-sexy-actor persona. And as a bonus since she’s not 20 something air-headed starlet, but mature SIW he has forever endeared himself the all righ..err.. correct thinking women world over. Or I guess it could be true love, and they’ll go forth and breed/adopt raise a better future leftist ruling class.
To put all this in perspective, did George Clooney do this well?
Question. Why do betas marry, when they know for a fact that 99% of their intramarital communiques will revolve around her attempting to scare up drama by her pretending to find fault with how he puts the forks in the dishwasher? Why do alphas marry, knowing that that’s how women treat betas?
Vitamin pill drama (not red, kind of a yeasty brownish yellow). Last week I ran out of my generic one-a-days which I’ve been taking, er, several times a week, usually, sometimes. I mentioned it to my wife, who subsequently brought home The Wrong Kind of vitamin pill. Actually I don’t think it was wrong, but I pretended they were wrong anyway, and returned them the next day, and went to a different store, and bought basically the same exact kind, pretending to be slightly more satisfied with them instead. My wife talked about little else with her sisters for a couple, relishing the fact that I was such a hard, hard, man.
Badpainter,
I definitely think you are on the mark. I think George sees himself as more than just an actor, and be positioning himself for future endeavors. The marriage could have just a flavor of Bill-Hilary which was a marriage based on furthering their respective ambitions. Sum of the parts greater than individual pieces and synergies and all that. And meanwhile Bill banged a lot of random ass on the side. I’d put money that most Hollywood men cheat given the opportunities that present themself. I recall rumors were high that Ashton was a big cheater when he was with Demi.
It isn’t common, but it isn’t a unicorn either to see marriages where male celebrity/athlete is marrying a decent amount below his SMV, and then just goes nuts on the side. Rumors are that Michael Jordan cheated like crazy on his first wife Juanita.
This might be the right move to become Senator Clooney. A woman with her pedigree adds instant gravitas. Hell, who would have thought Senator Al Franken?
George Clooney…sigh. Soooo nice. Sigh. Maybe they will break up before the wedding…. Wait, did I say that out loud? Lol.
The Descendents was pretty hard-core red-pill. could live with a politician coming from that direction.
Hilarious to see all the hamsters exploding on this one. A famous apex alpha male marries a mid-thirties career woman of very notable achievement and it validates the dreams and decisions of all the anonymous approaching-mid-thirties gals who have put off the wedding bells because they believe the happy-ending romcoms (remember, their independent lives make them more ready for marriage) and are holding out for a real stud. The archetype of magical thinking.
Vox posted on one of them here: http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-triumph-of-career-women.html
I’ll still say she lends great credibility to Clooney’s image, and that is her biggest asset. For dog’s sake she’s the UK EU lefty version of Gerry Spence. Can you image a more PC matchup? The dashing, progressive, post-modern, sensitive actor, and the beautiful, foreign, SIW, crusader for those oppressed by the evil reactionaries, it’s like a special episode of The West Wing. But hey, it might be love.
Despite that I think she’s quite nice to look at.
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Morpheus, I’m still expecting Franken’s tenure as a Senator to close with credits that say “a Franken Davis production.” I think the whole thing might be an elaborate ill conceived joke.
So the ol Clooner is getting married for the 2nd time around. She’s a hotty alright. It’s going to be very interesting to see how her career pans out over the next few years. If she turns out to be a traditionalist, throw out a few sprogs, baking, making dinner for her family….. we’ll see.
I wish ol George all he best, I really do. My one big hope is that he now finds something else to do with his life besides making movies. One trick pony, he’s very good at playing George in his movies. Gravity (great in 3D)? The Monuments Men? Oh God please NO!!!!!!
I would like to point out he is engage, which is meaningless. This isn’t a story until he actually surrenders his balls…. I mean get married.
Yup this is definitely a signal that Clooney is thinking about entering the political arena with this move … He’s apparently pretty close to the President — (Obama has personally attended fundraisers in Clooney’s own home) — so I’m sure that Obama’s top political operatives have told him that he’s gotta get married and lose the image as a guy who trades in a new model every couple years if he wants to be successful on the national stage … Clooney’s father ran (and lost) for a House Rep. seat a few years ago but my guess is that Clooney himself will look to run for Senate … Sen. Feinstein is the currently the oldest serving Senator so chances are her seat will be up for grabs in 2018 …
For a 52 year old man, 16 years is not much of an age difference. When my dad married my stepmother he was 50. She was 28.
They say that for every beautiful woman there’s a man who is tired of screwing her. If attraction were all a one-trick pony exercise they wouldn’t say that, it would be more along the lines of, ‘for every beautiful woman there’s a man who is tired of screwing her because she got fat’. Beautiful women lose their luster if their looks are the only thing of value they have. Especially for a man with “an embarassment of riches”.
SMV isn’t MMV and this woman might be very sensual. She’s probably clever and funny…or at least interesting. And she’s quite nice to look at anyway.
I think transactional (politically-based) marriages are pretty rare, at least at the onset of marriage. I think people with similar interests might be drawn together. I don’t think Bono, for instance, married his wife for political clout although he’s an activist. I don’t think Arnold married Maria because he planned on running for office. I don’t think Clinton originally married his wife for political ascendency either….I tend to think it just evolved that way.
They say that for every beautiful woman there’s a man who is tired of screwing her. If attraction were all a one-trick pony exercise they wouldn’t say that, it would be more along the lines of, ‘for every beautiful woman there’s a man who is tired of screwing her because she got fat’.
Like.
Halle Berry couldn’t keep her husbands in her bed to save her life. I’ve known women in real life who were beautiful (not to mention sweet) who had the same problem.
All this is just a bit premature. Give them fifty years to see if this was a good idea. Marriages are not their engagements.
I don’t see Clooney as someone who’d marry a trophy wife. I get a sense that a trophy wife is usually marrying a trophy husband (trophy being his money and status). George was unmarried for so long that I wonder if he is aware of marriage risks. If he is, he wouldn’t get someone who treats him maximally like a trophy. I don’t know his fiance, and of course even a lawyer could treat a man as a trophy, but perhaps less likely, because she has her own money and status, and shows a long history of not being an attention whore.
I know a famous and popular actor can probably bang as many 20-year olds as he wants, but can he hold onto one in marriage? Does he want to put in the effort? Hot 20-somethings are often playing the field, but they still feel they have many options and don’t necessarily want to stay with an older man forever. He’s still in his 50s, perhaps not in his peak. The only old guys who seems to effortlessly hold onto very young women are the very dark triad guys, like cult leaders. No one ever dumps them, unless scared for their life or emotionally burned out. Perhaps George Clooney can sense this potential instability and doesn’t want to go there?..
It’s just a guess.
#19 rly? Beautiful AND sweet women whose husbands did not want sex?
BTW In all jurisdictions, a prenup explicitly allowing extramarital affairs inullifies the marriage. Or rather, as adjudicated, the fact of getting married invalidates any such prenup, permitting e.g. her to sue for alimony.
Dark Triad men are the True Nice Guys! All you meanies, making fun of women’s dreams, YOU are the Not Nice. Waah!
Why George Clooney, I sometimes got asked?
Clooney was always used as shorthand (mostly by me, but also by others — I wasn’t the first) to mean “ultimate self-actualized alpha male. He embodies the following characteristics:
–classic male good looks. Keeps himself in shape even into his 50s
–commands a large amount of monetary resources
–commands attention from men and women wherever he goes. Men want to be him. Women want to be with him.
–well dressed. Looks comfortable in all sorts of clothes from t-shirt and jeans to evening formalwear
–got good at something (acting) by putting in the work. Has achieved fame, notoriety and the respect of his peers for his skills at it
–lives life on his own terms. Reached a point in his career where he could do the work he wanted to do. Didn’t remarry for a long time after his first marriage ended because he simply didn’t want to. Never had children because he didn’t want to. Refused to live life according to others’ wants, needs, or desires.
–exudes easy charm. Seems comfortable in his own skin and in his surroundings. Never seems rattled, discomfited, or out of his element. He looks like the kind of guy who would be equally comfortable in a bar drinking with his buddies, or at a Saturday afternoon event outdoors, or at an evening BBQ, or at a formal event, or on a date with Gwyneth Paltrow.
– has dated a string of attractive and desirable women
And that last thing? He didn’t get that, without being all of the things listed before. And my sense is he had to work at it. He didn’t get to be those things when he was starting out as Nick Clooney’s son. He didn’t get to be those things as a relatively unknown supporting actor on Roseanne’s sitcom in the late 80s sporting his flannel shirts and mullet. I doubt he got those things as a lead on ER.
He had to work for it, and he did.
“And my sense is he had to work at it.” You would be wrong. He is where he is because of all the female attention showered on him since he was a *young* teen.
Sometimes I got asked “why not other men as the quintessential alpha male”?
My thoughts were:
Harrison Ford is too old.
Johnny Depp is too weird.
Barack Obama is too effeminate.
George W. Bush is too controversial.
Bill Clinton is too sleazy.
Matt Damon doesn’t have the good looks.
Mark Wahlberg’s past is too checkered.
Justin Bieber — are you kidding?
Robin Thicke is too trendy.
Robert Downey Jr. didn’t have his head on straight for a long time (even though he is far and away more talented than Clooney).
And Brad Pitt was too pretty.
“who are chubby with short bob cuts”
I see what you did there.
“George was unmarried for so long that I wonder if he is aware of marriage risks. If he is, he wouldn’t get someone who treats him maximally like a trophy.”
Oh, I’d say he’s aware of marriage risks. He was married for four years to actress Talia Balsam, who’s currently playing Roger Sterling’s ex-wife Mona on Mad Men. Just “didn’t work out”, as Clooney explained once somewhere.
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Recipe for being considered a True Nice Guy:
1) Be handsome, be attractive, don’t be unattractive
2) Fake a more-than-sexual interest in a girl for part of one night, score. “There was one guy who I had amazing chemistry with and who of all the guys I met, did things that made me think about having a relationship with him.”
3) Dump her immediately and completely “had a great time”, thereby creating yet another alpha widow of yours.
She of There in the most recent article “How Young Women Who Want Love Settle for Casual Sex Instead” sez of women “I think most of us have been there.” She may be right about women, although of course except for someone suffering from apex fallacy it is immediately clear that lady killers are very few in number.
Clooney was a legendary swordsman for decades—the full suite, including being a fixture at Scores, the Playboy Mansion, the same high-end LA escort scene that Charlie Sheen enjoys. Conservatively estimated, his N is over 1,000.
The real lessons of GC:
1. If you at least pay lip service to the feminist political platform and are particularly good-looking/high-status, you could set fire to an orphanage and most women wouldn’t really care.
2. Take care of yourself physically as you age. As the old saying goes—”Pay yourself first.” Energy and resources go first into alpha personal development programs; these can be harvested later.
I think some of the young guys have it so easy on campus right now that they are not making these investments, and it may catch up to some of them in 10-20 years.
3. Maintain wardrobe and accessories that are timeless/classic. It’s not really about dressing for your age so much as it is about the style that works for ANY age.
Now in his 50s GC apparently starts looking at transitioning to the politico-philanthropic stage of his career, and so positions himself accordingly. Note that he was careful to find someone who is sort of just outside the “my God, he could be her father!” age-gap envelope, as he no doubt saw the heat that this put on Depp.
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Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin are the epitome of the political stunt marriage. A New York Jew and a Muslim. AHHH so cute! She may have thought the whole thing legit, but captain crotch-shot I suspect thought it was as much about the favorable optics and access to the Clinton’s as anything else.
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#33 1. Scurrilous but true, Berlusconi was a good friend of Clooney and next-door neighbor, and mutual visitors of each other during more than a few parties with a lot of very young women everywhere.
2. Canalis most famously, and several girlfriends before or since, mentioned the fatherly aspect of their relationships, after the breakup of course, obviously in an attempt to hurt him.
@Rollo
What’s funny about it too, is on your graph, the 36 year old woman is about two points lower in SMV than the male 52 year old. Isn’t that where Roissy had hypothesized that “true love” exists? A male who is two points higher in SMV.
#19 rly? Beautiful AND sweet women whose husbands did not want sex?
Of course they did. Just not with the wife only. I’m referring to fidelity here, not libido. Fidelity, contrary to popular opinion, is about the heart not hot the wife (or the husband) is or isn’t.
#38 and how many of these dashing men are there in reality? How many men are so abundant-minded yet so locked down that they risk losing their marriage to a beautiful and sweet woman by having affairs without her blessing?
Red pill invalidated? Sheeee-it.
Clooney banged most of 9+ Hollywood, he’s about to get his free AARP trial membership, and he’s probably just about completely f***ed out, and he’s settling down with a quite hot woman still in relatively OK babymaking years.
Dude’s lived the red pill life of this young century, you ask me.
Clooney is checking a lot of socially-acceptable boxes here (she’s Druze (an offshoot of Shi’ism) Oxford, politically liberal, feminist) but I strongly doubt he’d be engaged were she not hot, rich, and tall. This is the antithesis of the popular blue pill narrative.
I attended a benefit in DC last week for Syria, which is a magnet event for single SIW in the 35-45 cohort. (Free food and $3 drinks/wine/beer.) There’s one every night, it seems. My date belongs to that group and is 14 years younger than I; I was a bit apprehensive because it was the first time I was going to be submerged in her social/political set. These, according to their value system, are quite successful childless unmarried feminist women inhabiting the senior manager/executive tier of NGOs, and if you’ve ever read their online profiles as they start hitting the wall, significantly older men are generally “creepy” and “pathetic” while they troll for younger or age-appropriate (usually plus or minus five years).
So I expected some serious snark and disapproving looks and a lot of alone time. I put on a tailored black suit and french cuffs and an ascot: full-on upscale hedge fund gigolo, and prepared to meet my inquisition. I did not shave off some facial hair I’ve been sporting, which shaving I actually contemplated as, again, I expected all masculine impulses to be highly, highly disliked by this crowd. These women are left liberal Feds/New World Order clones. I’m a somewhat militant libertarian who considers my date’s bosses knaves and publicity-whoring fools, and given how women talk, I expected to be shunned for that, also.
Well. I haven’t felt so attractive in years. The place was overrun with highly educated pre-wall/present-wall/post-wall SIWs. All of my date’s friends (ALL of them) were giving me direct eye contact and the sort of smile you usually only get post-coitus. (I was reminded of my marriage-era married woman friend, who looked at me once and said in front of my wife: “You smile at me like we’re fucking.”) I mean, it was seriously embarrassing at times and I actually removed myself from the circle (10 women, my date, me, a couple of unthreatening pudgy guys) a couple of times to maintain decorum. I was getting very forward IOIs (touching, boob-brushes) which confused me because, again, I expected and had steeled myself for the Sisterhood Ice Glares. “So this dashing man is who you’ve been hiding from us,” one said. I think we could have taken at least two of them home with us, and when the night ended and I made the rounds to air-kiss everyone goodbye, two of them kissed me on the lips. We drove a third home, and she invited us upstairs for a nightcap, and this was on a schoolnight.
So, to me, it was another validation of the “show, don’t tell” algorithm. Clooney, as a liberal leftie, needs to tell (check progressive boxes with his fiance), because when N>10000 and you recently spent several years with a Las Vegas escort, you’ve probably “shown” quite enough. Increasingly, I’m convinced for someone like most of us, “show, don’t tell” allows the modern woman to dial-down the feminist cant and focus on being sex-positive, or something.
If she’s smart, Amal A. has already told him that she’s too worldly to expect fidelity of him, much as Georgina Chapman told Harvey Weinstein that her interest in his privates began and ended with a) being impregnated; and b) getting her clothing displayed on stars. Again, the antithesis of the current media narrative, which is that evolved men Man-Up!
A few years ago Warren Beatty (married to Annette Benning) asked a friend of mine to help him find “some silent pussy.” I predict this scenario for GC and AA.
Re: silent. But I like the little noises.
@Bastiat
Clooney has, through fortune and fortitude, been able to navigate the social waters quite astutely, seemingly ahead of the curve in many ways. I think this engagement is the just one more well-timed step. He’s probably sensing a kind of burn rate on his social capital that requires redeployment into the next phase.
He was well-aware of how this step would be framed according to the narrative he has been feeding into, just as I am sure he knew when it was time to reign in the long nights of doing blow off classy hookers in exchange for the approved M.O. of one-woman-at-a-time; the player with a heart-of-gold: he’s looking for LOVE! To say “he never did stuff like that” just affirms how powerful it can be to tap into the aspirational. For men: that is how you do it; for women: that is how I want to be done.
When “Dating” the alpha of alphas, the two-year ride is longer than most other women got. And obviously better than none at all. Still a win. Plus, “he let her down easy, such a gentleman.”
His awareness of the prevailing culture is tied into his political aspiration (at the very least as a figure of importance if not the elected kind) but it is also a direct result of decades of feminine praise, which I’d argue is enough on its own to reserve a place at the apex of the social monarchy that these men come to see as their natural state of being.
His strength has been in seeing enough of the strings to know when to just smirk, when to espouse the FI at the alter of Oprah, when to lower his chin – puppy-dog his eyes, to signal that he is just a man, wounded by his unfulfilled desire to find the kind of love that would put him behind the wheel of a Mazda MPV on saturday mornings, taking her future kids to soccer. Even though everyone knows he would do no such thing nor would any woman really want HIM to do such a thing. He’s better than that. She’s better than that.
All while appealing to the plug-n-play romanticism and exoticism of EatPrayLove via his Italian Villa life-in-wait. Its bliss.
Take his N>1,000, which he has been able to rack w/o baby-mommas, stalkers, video “leaks”, abuses and other “unfortunate situations”, and he must be doing something right. The escort-pumping days have been rather easily eclipsed by a persona that by and large the culture views through approved lens of Serial Monogamy. He’s the ultimate Boyfriend. Note: not husband. Whats the prize again ladies? Oh yeah, its Marriage. As long as its marriage to the man that all women see as the ultimate Boyfriend. Note: not husband. What makes him such a great BF? The fact that he refuse(d) to marry for so long? Or is it Experience!
Its not just validation of the SIW model, it is also validation of the serial-monogamy experiential model and the power of True Love via the long road of unilateral experience converging just-in-time. In the meantime, if you can’t see the carousel, you just might be on it. Unless of course, he is hot, and committed to you. It makes total sense that hot men may take 50 years and 500+ vaginas to see the inner beauty in the SIW. Its that deep.
“It makes total sense that hot men may take 50 years and 500+ vaginas to see the inner beauty in the SIW. Its that deep.”
Lol! I love it. That is a quotable quote.
Awesome anecdote about the Mrs Smith and other Ms Smiths. Sounds like a very enjoyable night.
“Never felt so attractive” eh? Somehow, I’ll bet this happens to you quite a lot. Online, off-line…you just can’t turn that off.
Wait…the last was addressed to BV…how did that portion get cut off?
Pretty sure he’s all wised up to the dangers of marriage, or rather, divorce.
He’s smart, he’ll just get a “Massey Pre-nup”
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerable_Cruelty a tolerable film )
#43 “it is also a direct result of decades of feminine praise, which I’d argue is enough on its own to reserve a place at the apex of the social monarchy that these men come to see as their natural state of being.” That’s how I see it too.
It seems significant to me that in his first major role GC was handpicked by women to be the male eyecandy to invigorate “The Facts Of Life” in which his job was to flirt with the girls at an all-girl school, with apparently actual physical contact with Jo and Blair at least, and to AMOG all other men in the vicinity to the delight of the laydees.
SWITHY! Is that really you?
Welcome back, Sir.
BV 41 and Taz 43:
Tip o’ the hat to the deft wordsmiths in residence here at J4G.
Grand slam out of the stadium home runs, back to back.
Well done to the both of you.
Clooney is also a blue-piller. He may not be a beta, but he does believe a lot of the nonsense from the left.
@bv I bet you left them all wondering, “where can I get a sovereign man, too???” Lol. Well done! I am sure you were quite dashing!
Is this the airplane gal? Can’t keep ‘em straight
#51: Think it’s Mrs Smith (not her real name), Bloom.
Airplane girl is kicked to the curb.
She’s a diplomatic attache with a license to kill. Embellishing, but close enough.
Hi Liz, thanks.
Been reducing time spent on the web, on top of which politics are getting more interesting in the UK recently as we scream towards euro-elections with the outsider (tea-party-ish) anti-europe party in the lead of all the polls in the UK!!! A kind of ground swell of rebellion to all of the lamestream parties who all refuse us proles a voice on europe…interesting. So the manospheres has been getting much reduced attention and consequently pretty much no commenting. Though I did slip up at that other place with that drama queen da pooey guy (saw you there).
Be well, be lucky
Liz, I think I benefited from some pre-selection (Mrs. Smith is aware of my enthusiasm for Roissy Commandment #14, and probably has yakked about it with her girlfriends). And the fact that at an NGO/diplomatic corps event like that, there were about three masculine guys who weren’t either married, speaking Arabic exclusively, or both — while the female-male ratio was about 60-40. Mrs. Smith was singing the praises of an ex-boss as “another silver-haired elegant ambassador”; he spoke, and looked and moved like a fusty junior high principal, to me. So the bar was rather low, I’m afraid. In the land of the blind, a one-eyed man is king, etc. All I had to do is say all of her friends are attractive, and not say that half of them need to lose 20.
More sympathetically, a couple of them were almost plaintive in their evident loneliness, and if I were more machiavellian, or is it sociopathic?, I’d be plotting. (Mrs. Smith has done girls, of course, that being a feminist merit badge of note).
Back to Clooney, I’ll be impressed when he and AA take a house in Beirut (where she is from). I don’t think he will. I think he plays tough guys who spar with Hezbollah, I rather doubt he’s going to walk within 500 miles of the real version.
And so back to Syria, and off-topic: one of the elegant men who spoke exclusively Arabic was a tall, slender, extremely handsome dude Mrs. Smith supports. He has an underground radio and TV station in Syria. For me, his slender, almost effeminate frame yielded the most commanding presence at this event, but perhaps that’s driven, like most measures of masculinity, by context. I think he’s probably the bravest person I’ve met in a few years. The absurdity of this world is graven when you find yourself with such a quiet man, resplendent in a Savile Row suit, while SIWs pound the hors d’oevres and ex-ambassadors walk about in Rockport shoes and a war correspondent’s speech is incoherent as he is drunk, and the hard special operators and their hawk-eyes catch your glance EVERY SINGLE TIME. And you’re speaking with him, this slender elegant man, through an eager government SIW arabist who treats him like a celebrity golden retriever (her very own pet) and it’s difficult because you know he’s flying back to Turkey before transiting the frontier into the most dangerous shithole in the world, and he’ll be dead within the year. But if he wants our government’s money, he had to come over for the party at which 40 year-old feminists, wittingly or otherwise, offer themselves to their girlfriend’s man.
@jf12 was gc on facts of life? He has been around for so e time! I used to watch it as a preteen but didnt realize my Clooney imprinting started then! Lol. I agree Deti, he does represent the apex. Lucky sly dog he is!
But, does she love *him* or does she love George Clooney tm? Perhaps it doesn’t matter. Oh yeah, until the divorce…
@ Swithers
Ukraine is now on the brink of Civil War over the EU question.
@ Liz oh good, airplane girl sounded fun, but scary!
one needs to be careful, oxitocin bonding plus high adrenine often equals crazy stalker ex. Good to hear its not round two of that!
#51, Bloom, airplane woman threatened me in a profound way, one time when I did not do what she wanted. So no; this is my favorite diplomat. Airplane woman is, at this point, just my controlled experiment in the meme Women Like Jerks.
I have always tried to be a gentleman my entire life, but airplane woman gets only insults when she contacts me. According to the precepts of Game, this makes me more attractive, and so far, Game proves correct. She’s been threatening me with a lane-changing marriage to someone else for two years now. Unfortunately, during some of that time she ballooned in weight, so the quality of the nude selfies declined significantly there for a while. (I replied that she should go out with someone her own size …)
@bv ah yes, that’s the one…
Jeremy, I suggest that Clooney is not blue pill, but totally red pill running the long con.
Hi Nem,
yeah. two empires hovering over a country that is absolutely fractured ethnically anyway. I hear that a lot of Russia’s defence industries are based in the east of Ukraine. Russia has stuff to really fight for and has a leader(!) We just have lightweights scheming. Van rumpy-pumpy said
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/01/van-rompuy-says-europe-will-expand-without-public-backing
This was the guy that the UKIP (the party I spoke of earlier) leader insulted in this glorious speech. Nigel Farage critiques Van Rompuy
Place your bets here: was it Path 1, or Path 2?
Brass balls, BV. I’m sort of into tailored clothes but I’ve never worn an ascot in my life. Don’t even own one. I have an older friend in LA who wears them a lot and I like to call him “Thurston Howell.” He takes it well.
Scoff, I have subscribed to what BB encoded as ‘hedge fund gigolo’ dress since I was playing basketball in Italy a long time ago. In Italy a destitute college kid will have some scarf of some sort around his neck. A bankrupt noble will have an ascot.
They’re a bit archaic, neck-scarves, but if I’ve been up for two days and am driving a 3/4 ton truck to central Montana? I might have an ascot. Go great with jeans. Jeans go great just about anyplace other than “21″ now; even the Princeton Club allows jeans.
Next we can discuss the social history of handkerchiefs.
(No, we won’t.)
@61
Any chance y’all make export model of Nigel Farage? We could use one here in the states.
and how many of these dashing men are there in reality? How many men are so abundant-minded yet so locked down that they risk losing their marriage to a beautiful and sweet woman by having affairs without her blessing?
What has dashing to do with anything? You act as if unfaithful men are a sighting so rare that they are equivalent to unicorns or pots of gold at the end of the rainbow. And that only the most handsome of men are capable of having a rotating harem.
Sometimes it seems like I hail from Mars, because while I certainly see all the oft-lamented betas silently dying inside, I know a fair number of men who don’t seem to be having any such problems. And none of them are George Clooney types.
Path 1: She becomes attracted on the first meeting.
Path 2: She becomes attracted over time.
George Clooney was on Path 0: she was attracted to him even before they had met.
Off topic rant. The world is full of idiots. So I am helping out a friend get her biz open. Unlike chateau bloom, which is more of a counterculture, insurgent, mcGyver style endeavor, gets is the multi million dollar real deal. Today we are bottling, their corker broke. So I call a local merchant who has terrible customer service but is local so I put up with it in times of crisis when I don’t have time for a three hour round trip otherwise. Anyhoo, the owner of this other chateau to be goes to pick up said corners and due to a minor paperwork snafu (no reseller permit in hand) is turned away. Seriously? I call and explain their error on thinking (hint: future multi million dollar client, can you try to solve their problem here?) am told no. Armatures! So I am hauling along my corker, bloom saves the day!
And j4g, yes this friend of mine is single! And she’s great.
Carry on…
I do notice that in Italy, almost no matter the weather, everyone is wearing some kind of scarf. The last time I was in Naples (of all places) the temp was averaging around 60 and I was the only male in the whole city without a scarf. I don’t recall seeing any ascots, though. They stand out.
Come to think of it, I have another friend in SF, about the same age the LA one, who also wears ascots. But he is playing more conventional to type, lives on Outer Broadway, sold a business a long time ago, made much money, then started another just to have something to do. When we have lunch, typically with a couple of other men, we will be the only four people in the entire city who have on coats and ties. People stare. Very different from my father’s day when Downtown SF was strictly coat and tie everywhere. Now it stands out like a Halloween costume.
#69: My bet is that you shine your own shoes, as well. You might even travel with a small jar of shoe polish and a torn t-shirt rag.
I used to but here in Manhattan, a really–really–great shine costs $4. So I stopped long ago. Plus, it’s a chance to read the Post.
The place I went in DC by contrast used to cost $8. I that was almost ten years go. I hate to think what it is now.
Hi BadPainter,
the votes said to be going to his party aren’t exactly fully enthusiastic endorsements of the guy (truth be told). It’s more that voting for UKIP is a two fingered salute (flipping the bird) to the political class.
I quite like the sound of what he says, but should he ever get into power (very unlikely within the UK, in the european union that he wants out of? he’ll rule the majority of the uk contingent – I hope), let’s just say that they should be seen as the starting point for discovering a refined, coherent way forward… He smokes, drinks, speaks the truth (he is loved for that), but as national leader? hmmmm.
The elections later this month are mainly for the UK representatives to the european parliament (which holds very little power. the power lies with the unelected commission). HOWEVER, next year is a general election. The poliscum are praying that the euro elections will be a harmless (unless you’re an MEP) blow off of steam and the peasant scum will come back to them for the national stuff. We shall see. There’s a lot of dissatisfaction with the liblabcon party (c.f. republicrats / demoblicans perhaps?). The Labour and Conservatives are just two cheeks of the same arse, with the Liberals right in the middle there.
The amazing thing has been how the MSM of all flavours has rallied round to smear his party really blatantly. And the more he is smeared, the more people say that they don’t care…heartening stuff.
All across Europe the proles are revolting.
By the way what’s with the whole Jeremy Clarkson nursery rhyme thing? His antics are often insensitive and assholish, but try as I might, I simply don’t hear the n-word in his video…
#66 a fair number meaning what? How many men actually have rotating harems, and how many of those men have a beautiful and sweet woman at home who wishes he were there with her? I have known some philandering types, and even then their wives were glad to give them their freedom.
#68 armatures? The wiring in the motor was klunky?
#69: Escoffier “I do notice that in Italy, almost no matter the weather, everyone is wearing some kind of scarf. The last time I was in Naples (of all places) the temp was averaging around 60 and I was the only male in the whole city without a scarf. I don’t recall seeing any ascots, though. They stand out.”
I’m curious what time of the year it was? Weather is far less of a relevancy there than fashion. If the calendar says it’s winter, autumn, summer, of spring they dress accordingly. Even if it means sweating profusely or freezing.
Buena Vista,
Your comment at 41 was an eye opener. Maybe a few of them realize it but, all these fortysomething SIWs are well on their way to spinsterhood. From your description, they’re all a little to sophisticated (jaded?) for their own good. Since they have the ear of government, what can we look forward to when they petition for relief from spinsterhood?
Elspeth,
All these “betas silently dying inside”. There’s nowhere for us to take our petitions.
What is it with women preferring men in scarves?
http://www.fashionstylemag.com/2014/celebrity/whats-hot/george-clooney-engaged-to-amal-alamuddin/3/
Well, it probably depends on the man, more so than the scarf.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/10/article-2555795-1B58E1CB00000578-998_634x412.jpg
#67 I don’t think Ms. Alamuddin was sitting at home by the phone waiting for him to call.
a fair number meaning what? How many men actually have rotating harems, and how many of those men have a beautiful and sweet woman at home who wishes he were there with her?
I think our divergent backgrounds and experiences create a chasm which cannot be breached jf12, although I do enjoy chatting with you.
I did a running poll in my head of the men in my immediate family/lifelong circle of friends who have been unfaithful to their (attractive enough) wives more than once. A couple of them have wives of above average attractiveness.
Of 14 husbands, I counted 10 of them who have been unfaithful in brazen ways, and all but one still has his wife at home. Most came to faith and stopped and/or had a change of heart and slowed down as they aged into their late 40′s/50′s.
But it’s just not the rarity you seem to think it is.
Gotta run. It’s been real.
#76 here in teh ‘Merika we menz also do not dress according to the weather, nor season. Whether winter, autumn, summer, or spring, if we dress up we put on the same blue suit as any other time, and if we don’t dress up we put on jeans same as any other time.
#80 “all but one still has his wife at home” is telling. The one guy I know who is brazen about it has an “open” marriage, which means she stays home while he goes out.
“And you’re speaking with him, this slender elegant man, through an eager government SIW arabist who treats him like a celebrity golden retriever (her very own pet) and it’s difficult because you know he’s flying back to Turkey before transiting the frontier into the most dangerous shithole in the world, and he’ll be dead within the year. But if he wants our government’s money, he had to come over for the party at which 40 year-old feminists, wittingly or otherwise, offer themselves to their girlfriend’s man.”
Which is why a few years down the road half of the funds end up getting sent back wrapped around C4 (left over from the last iteration of bearded guys from Virginia kicking crates from a helicopter to win hearts and minds.)
Noticing these things is rare – and can get one in trouble with the thought cops here in the McEmpire, but most of the folks from rubblized goat-patches see it all quite clearly I imagine. He must get home and immediately take a Silkwood shower.
@Nem
funnily enough I’d put Jezza (Jeremy Clarkson) in much the same bracket as Nigel Farage (the UKIP bloke). Both are seen pretty positively by normal folks (maybe not without some reservation about blokeishness, but nothing hard).
This is a good example of his oafishness:
(there’s a fair amount of banter between England and Wales – most of it lightweight, good hearted, most of it. But clearly he’s poking the PC bomb with a stick again…it’s funny, but is it wise? *)
I haven’t been watching the Clarkson thing in detail, but I believe that the eeny-meeny footage was from 2003. I haven’t seen proof either, but I don’t think that whether it’s true is going to be ultimately relevant.
oops, new stuff in today’s paper of sleeze and outrage about sleeze
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2621409/Jeremy-Clarkson-race-row-takes-twist-Ofcom-launches-investigation-Top-Gear-presenters-slope-comment.html
Just sick of all this PC shit. This guy is not the neonazi that you’re looking for. He’s a guy who makes his living by clowning it up with two other public school boys (private school boys to youlot) having juvenile fun. Top Gear (UK, the original) can be the funniest stuff on TV. It makes a LOT of money for the beeb around the world, and that is why that nest of lefties is very uncharacteristically trying not to sack the non-pc oaf.
*if you really want to see the Welsh taken the piss of, then this is from a Welsh TV comedy series – great stuff, fantastic.
@Bloom
“Is this the airplane gal? Can’t keep ‘em straight ”
This is one indication that a man is approaching the field correctly. If women can keep your “love” life straight, it is probably not worth keeping.
What the hell. In the spirit of making Liz regret her welcoming of me…
The same guy. Not to be watched while partaking of delicate sensibilites or having a weak stomach
‘Frank Hovis’ – Taxi
(notes for foreigners – ‘fivers’ – £5 notes – are blue. ‘tenners’ are brown)
@JF12, Esco:
Wrt “Men in Scarves”:
As you can see in my avi, I’m wearing one, known in Islamic circles as a keffiyah. Been wearing em now for years, and I wear em with everything – distressed motorbike jackets, field jackets, blazers/suit jackets, you name it. I probably own a dozen of em, all different colors and variations, and the ladies LOVE em, let me tell you. Now, they carry practical use for me, as I like to keep my neck covered especially on breezy days or during the winter; but they look nice and signal to ladies that you care about the details. They’re also conversation starters.
In a word: peacocking. Something as simple as a scarf, can do it.
As for ascots: Morris Day of the Time, used to and still does, wear em – and so would I. Never done it yet, but I could pull it off, especially now that I carry a cane. Hit up the tailor about a half-mile from here, grip up a Boteng-style besoke suit, and bang, there it is. (one of my dreams is to hit up Savile Row and have Boteng cut me a suit or three – I’m gonna get there!). Clooney definitely knows how to pull the ascot off right. Ocean’s Eleven, all the way.
O.
Lol Swithy! I’ve missed your levity.
(I actually know a person who shellacked his poo, added eyes, named it Major Dump and….well, nevermind. Let’s just say there were hijinks)
I’d argue that Jeremy Clarkson is different from Nigel Farage in that he makes fun of everybody. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing in a PC society, but I would argue that simply indiscriminate offensiveness and insulting everybody is not that constructive in terms of creating goodwill. Especially when he goes to other countries and insults people there. It’s one thing to do offensive humor in a culture where that is the norm, but another to do it in a culture where it is against the common norm.
From what I’ve seen, Nigel Farage on the other hand has laser-targeted humor. He doesn’t indiscriminately cause offense, but rather attacks the specific politicians who deserve to be attacked.
“It seems significant to me that in his first major role GC was handpicked by women to be the male eyecandy to invigorate ‘The Facts Of Life’ in which his job was to flirt with the girls at an all-girl school, with apparently actual physical contact with Jo and Blair at least, and to AMOG all other men in the vicinity to the delight of the laydees.”
= Fantastic observation on so many levels, from word selection to pop culture references.
As usual, the Dynamic Duo of BV and Taz delivers the goods. I agree 100% that Clooney is a cynical red pill fuck-artist—probably a salty dog at least to the level of cynicism of any of us here, and that is saying something impressive—running a complex series of Danny Ocean-level cons, with the whole SMP serving as his Bellagio.
@Nem
I don’t find either of the alleged comments amusing (sorry if I gave that impression), I think they are dumb, counterproductive, stupid and dumb. They are comments that he shouldn’t have made. Beyond that, generally speaking, he plays the overgrown public schoolboy to great success
(P45 is the document that you get wehn you are sacked…)
Jeremy’s P45 – Smallest Car in the World!
@jf12:
LOL. No, not open marriages. Rocky marriages, but not open. My reference to wives being still at home was to make the point that they weren’t divorcef or separated.
Seems like everyone is ignoring the obvious: Clooney is an old, tired 52, who has been using up women for decades.
Now he decides to settle down? And it’s still w/ someone 16 years younger, who will probably not be asked to have children (so much for having it all).
In even what microscopic way does this validate blue pill thinking?
Fuzzie’ s comment @ 77 goes to the heart of betadome; looking for some where to take their petitions vs fixing their own shit
There is huge difference in marriage fidelity between black and White men.
UMC/ liberal chicks are easy to bed. The more of either they are, the easier to bed. Most have a very low bar regarding what is masculine. When I was whoring around in those circles, most of those girls did not know men who owned a gun, owned a motorcycle, owned a race car, been in a bar fight…. really low bar.
Farage is loved for telling onanists that they’re onanists – pretty much as you say.
Re Jezza
This is the stuff he’s loved for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7g08nwEmyY
So frankly, I’m rather pissed that he couldn’t keep his fecking gob shut and just keep amusing people. Nobody (except the PC brigade) are happy with what he’s being accused of saying.
@Liz,
interesting friend…
moff to eat, g’night
#92 oh, ok. I know a *few* more guys who merely cheated, but none with either beautiful or pleasant wives.
#87 I guess a scarf works for you. It certainly doesn’t work for Prince Albert, whether in the can or not. I could probably pull one off if I were dressed in a snowsuit or something, but that’s about it. Otherwise I’d look, like Albert, like a strange old woman. I have no dashingness, no fighter-pilot-ness, about me. FWIW I do have, or had, a “holiday” thick green scarf and a “dressy” thin dove-gray scarf somewhere, neither of which I’ve ever worn or seen myself in. I meekly but glumly submitted to my wife, years and years ago, on her insistence draping the dressy scarf she had bought me as a present (presumably with visions or advertisements of male sugarplums affecting her judgment) around my neck, before she smirked at the sight and said “I guess not!”
I’ve got a bit less of a pencil neck now and a bit more V-shape, but I could still easily pass for a slender woman without much effort. So I don’t need the help.
@Nem
maybe this will help
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why-the-propaganda-war-on-ukip-has-failed/#.U2jrmPldVcw
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The political class does not listen to the electorate. If they did they would then have to face the calamitous task of explaining that they cannot act differently…because it is all driven by Europe. Which has an agenda even more remote from the electorate – ever close union. Driven my (ex?)maoists, marxists and generic lefty third raters. I gave the example of what one of them wants to do expand the EU ‘whether the people want it to happen or not’. Why the hell are we getting closer to war over Ukraine? We cannot possibly win it.
I’m certain that a lot of these issues of isolation of the political class ring true for you guys, maybe your lot are driven by bigwar, bigpharma, bigagra and bigmed rather than collectivists(?) But the tea party (a rough analogue of UKIP, though UKIP takes votes from more broadly across the spectrum) seems to suggest that you have similar issues. That’s the impression I get from the US web fom over here anyway. Good luck to all of us.
Badger says:
May 6, 2014 at 2:57 am
“Hilarious to see all the hamsters exploding on this one. ”
Yet you have a whole separate post on the Clooney’s apparently voluntary (don’t say) resignation of his uber-alpha status, so enshrined among a certain segment of the male population; complete with 100 comments and counting, which dissect what possible motives could have driven the man to such an unlikely move.
Hilarious is right.
Off topic but related. Evidently the “Facts Of Life” girls lost their virginities in real life in inverse order of their SMV. Validating a lot of things.
#100 sure, but none of our male hamsters are feverishly trying to convince us that this signals “there’s hope for us!”
Jf12:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhEBsO5Ez4o
In this captivating episode, “Magnificent Obsession,” Jo is apparently “concerned by Blair’s obsession with a boy who treats her poorly.”
No doubt the creepy chaperone-with-a-messianic-complex portrayed by Charlotte Rae will ultimately give young, stupid Blair the benefit of her valuable life tips, and then the girls of all ages can get together in an alcohol-free, wholesome environment and laugh and frolic and gush about boys, sanitary napkins, hayrides, PG movies, abstinence, etc.
Don’t feed the troll.
As a young lad, I had quite the crush on Blair. Also Mallory Keaton. Kimberly Drummond, not so much.
As I recall also, before the ovehauled the cast of FoL, in the first season, there was an even cuter girl than Blair, but I can’t remember her name.
Sfcton,
When I stated about nowhere to take our petitions, that did include God Himself.
Seem to remember Him saying in Genesis “it’s not good for man to live alone.”
It’s conscious ignorance at all levels.
@ taz IMHO bv is one of a kind, a legend! I am not sure it would work as well for just anyone. What I do like is that he’s honest and straightforward about who he is. I respect that, in my mind much better than someone swearing you are their one and only, if that’s not the case. I am a firm believer in the “be who you are, informed consent, honesty is the best policy” camp. Takes guts.
We’re I to have to choose between being the well kept mistress or the wife of a man with mistresses, I might choose mistress. But that’s theoretical. So far I have always been the one guy one gal type… Not that I think that’s what others should do. And heck here I am single so how’s that working for me???
Re: FoL. Apparently there were fairly realistic portrayals of the bad boy stuff (e.g. Natalie with Snake). I never watched, but I have to ask. Since the show was basically for that purpose, i.e. for illustrating some version or other of the facts of life to contemporary girls, did it ever, at all, make blue bill gaffes like pretending girls were attracted to nerds, or that girls responded positively to guys who loved them?
@ 106, years of unanswered prayers broke the habit in me Fuzzie. I am better for it.
The Good Book also says it’s better to live on th roof then with a cantankerous woman. How many are not cantankerous these days? The Good Book also says a good wife is more rare ( precious) then rubies, and a lot of other semi conflicting things.
I am nothing special to look at. I am high earning, but not wealthy, or even close to it since I have 6 children that I am just about done rearing. I have never been famous. I am well educated and well-traveled. I am bald and fat. I was less bald and less fat when I was 52, but well on the way. At that age I married a very beautiful 25 year old. She is still there at home and still sweet and still beautiful. You don’t have to be George Clooney to do this. I think GC could have done younger if he wanted to, but for his own reasons didn’t. Who knows? Maybe he fell in love? It happens even to the most jaded and cynical amongst us. It happened to me when I would have sworn (and did swear to my sons) it would not happen.
#110 yeah, but did you wear a scarf when courting her?
Scarfism is Bieberism.
http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/justin-bieber/images/20179291/title/scarf-photo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2606605/Justin-Bieber-greets-fans-arrives-LA-bodyguards.html
So, that’s that, then.
Sfcton,
He has cut us all loose.
@fuzzie, curious why you classify yourself as beta or les personally what your general definition of a beta is? I am still not sure I fully get the concept…
Interesting to think Clooney went from escorts to the more “socially ok” serial monogamy to now marriage, if it was an intentional strategy. Don’t apex alphas define the game, not conform to it? Or do they simply pretend to conform until (oops! A la Clinton) get caught? Why would Clooney care? I bet he could win an election as a single man. Or no? Not that I am arguing, just curious…
@ 113 that is the rational conclusion my friend
#115 Alphas are men for whom women make themselves easy. Betas are men for whom women make themselves difficult.
Most typically, apex alphas are coddled by women their whole lives, and don’t need to fight for their position among women because women fight their battles for them. Conformity is irrelevant, except for conformity to what works.
I find this whole wondering about GC’ s actions womanish. He’s a man (sort of); the reason for his actions are his own.
I do think women’s obsession with actors is kind o telling; women love drama, are natural born liars, manipulators, and expert pretenders and so are actors.
Re: Scores.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/script-tease-guys-scores-article-1.358672
The serial girlfriend routine was indeed a ruse, albeit not a great one, for projecting some kind of hope for women.
He only had a handful of girlfriends with whom he had sex in high school, supposedly, possibly limited by there being 23 students in his whole class. In college at Northern Kentucky U was a different story. Literally dozens of girls, spinning plates all the time, in fact doing nothing else for three whole years. His party-hard ways continued and accelerated when he went to live with Rosemary and began making the rounds of ALL the Hollywood girls.
Bloom,
Knowing that “beta” is thrown around here as a pejoritive, classifying myself as such is due to two factors, first, my track record with the opposite sex and, second, it’s the personality traits.
Bloom,
The Apex Alpha gets the most benefit from the game.
Clooney sees escorts on rise to the top. Escorts are safer, better skilled, and more discreet than groupies. I’d bet in his Rosanne days he had groupies which soured him on the whole idea. Only would take one stalker.
As his fame/status rises he can engage in serial monogamy with a better class of woman, and attract a better class of groupie as well. He does this for as long as he likes, and for as long as that conforms to his sense of self, while bolstering his image as the hawt guy that can’t find quite find true love. I suspect there would have been a number elite escorts as well.
Now that he has conquered Hollywood and sees the possibility to have real influence and perhaps power he needs the veneer of respectability, both intellectually, and socially to make to the next level.
Now he’s engaged to the appropriate woman who essentially vouches for his street cred as serious progressive thinker and would be power player. The reality of their relationship is not relevant to his image at this point. In fact the Alpha move would be to trade up to better connected woman in that realm. Someone who is an establishment player and less an activist. That would further improve his street cred if the breakup doesn’t have a scandal attached to it.
The man who controls the opinions of women also controls the lesser men.The game is a game of who can best make the hamster spin. For the Apex Alpha that means being able to get meta-hamster of the herd to spin at whatever speed is necessary. This keeps near 50% of the population in his corner, plus some not insignificant number of men, who wish to please women, on his side. He needs this to control his public image. If he is planning to become politician he needs this to gain access to donors, and to get favorable media attention from the chattering class. If the women love him it’s harder for his adversaries to attack him directly. Any criticism of him as a person or a thinker will be immediately countered with charges of envy/jealousy by the herd.
Here’s the short formula for how the game works:
Apex Alpha sells a product/policy/idea by marketing to women.
Women then get all other men to provide them this product/policy/idea.
All other men try to game this various ways by complying with the herd demand, or not complying. However, all other men are dealing with individual women.
The ascendent Alphas to next make the Apex level succeed or fail in how well they can give individual what they want, or how well they can convince women to want something else. Of course the rule here is that women who won’t be convinced lose the validation of these Alpha’s or those Alpha’s lose their way to Apex status. The Betas trudge along like always and keep the lights on.
I read in the tabloids that Amal Alamuddin never partied during her Uni years as she was too busy doing actual studying, and apparently has never had a boyfriend (possible virgin bride for Clooney?). Something for everyone to think about.
@Badpainter
Great description of how the apex males today (and likely throughout most of history) use the power of the herd-nature of women and the desire for sex by beta males from the herd of women to direct and control society.
Eslpeth: “Of 14 husbands, I counted 10 of them who have been unfaithful in brazen ways, and all but one still has his wife at home. Most came to faith and stopped and/or had a change of heart and slowed down as they aged into their late 40′s/50′s.”
This is probably because you were raised with, and live among, a lot of high N men, who (not coincidentally, IMO) had the benefit of not being raised IN church (aka “beta factories”). Such a thing is a lot rarer in the crowed we run in. But the overall stats are on our side, lady. (I’m low N and have, uh, dabbled, but that’s old news.)
Maybe too much cake and ice cream yesterday, nothing seems to be computing but thanks for the added details! And here it comes, the Pollyanna remark as always, I hope they really truly love each other. And if they want to, I hope they have cute little babies. Awwww. (I know, I know….)
#122 After Uni very unlikely, especially during the many years of jetting back and forth to her expensive apartment in New York. Plus, seriously, why would anyone stay virgin except for religious reasons, and why would a religious woman pretend to be saving herself for Clooney?
Apparently there was some serious internet presence scrubbing that occurred in December 2013, which had to have required a lot of money.
@ OTC #124:
You may have a point. About being raised in an environment where women are pedestalized. Churches in minority communitites have been female heavy for a long time before that tendency spread to other churches and communities.
And we know what happens when churches skew in favor of the womenfolk and away from the truth: the men leave.
The funny thing is that the so-called black church has often been labeled misogynist.
#120 “two factors, first, my track record with the opposite sex and, second, it’s the personality traits.” Are you sure these are two distinct factors? I ask knowingly.
I’m surprised I don’t hear more about the interracial/interfaith aspect of the relationship. What does everyone think about that?
Jf12 at 128,
I can see where this is leading. The personality traits determine the success with the opposite sex.
One of the tings about being a recovering beta is that there are so many inverse relationships that run counter to intuition.
More head scratching for bear.
The official story is that he pursued her, with email game.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/george-clooney-wooed-fiancee-amal-3529179
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jf12 says:
“sure, but none of our male hamsters are feverishly trying to convince us that this signals “there’s hope for us!”
Why the bizarre obsession then? You act like a bunch of little girls in a schoolyard. (No offense to little girls.) Or the Real Housewives of Something. A quick stroll through Clooney-related coverage shows that no one gets their panties in a wad over his engagement like the permanent inhabitants of the manosphere.
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jf12 says:
“sure, but none of our male hamsters are feverishly trying to convince us that this signals “there’s hope for us!”
“us”?
Aren’t you married?
Bud, if you’re gonna troll you could be more creative about it.
[…] George Clooney engaged, red pill invalidated by Just Four Guys. Aka “who’s gonna be the one to break these over-30 chunky career girls’ hearts and tell them Clooney married an attractive foreign women 16 years his junior… Nah let em have this one.” […]
#132 If you can count, you will see this topic generated far fewer comments than the previous topic, so I don’t see an obsession. If you see an obsession here, maybe it’s because you’re obsessed with seeing one. Moreover outside here, it is almost entirely celebrity news-hounds, i.e. women and panderers, who noted Clooney’s romancing, so your supposed observations of man-panties are presumably of women’s drawers instead.
#133 Yes, there is no hope for me.
Ate age 53, Clooney’s erections are too old to maintain while wearing a condom. His infidelity days are over.